organising  so that we can effectively use them to their greatest benefit is often a pain point. Luckily help is at hand, in the form of Benjamin Humphrey.

Benjamin is co-founder of Dovetaila new product that helps teams understand their customers through analysis of user feedback and qualitative research.

We were lucky to have the opportunity to pick Benjamin’s brain in our Slack channel yesterday. It was one of the busiest sessions we’ve hosted but he managed like a trooper.

If you’re interested in seeing what we discussed, or you want to revisit your own questions, here is a full transcript of the chat.

Transcript

hawk

2018-03-07 23:04

The formal intro:

hawk

2018-03-07 23:04

Benjamin is a co-founder of Dovetail, a new product that helps teams understand their customers through organization and analysis of user feedback and qualitative research. Dovetail is kind of like Google Docs meets Trello, designed specifically for researchers and product managers.

claudia.realegeno

2018-03-07 23:04

Do you find it easier to structure by primarily by participant, by event, or some other method?

hawk

2018-03-07 23:04

Prior to starting Dovetail, Benjamin was a lead designer at Atlassian working on JIRA Agile, the growth team, and Atlassian’s cloud platform. He led design initiatives to bring consistency and modernity to Atlassian’s cloud offerings and was heavily involved in shaping Atlassian’s new design language, “ADG 3”, and their new product Stride.

Benjamin is a multi-disciplinary designer working across research, user experience, interface design, and frontend development.

hawk

2018-03-07 23:05

Thanks heaps for your time today @benjamin – we appreciate it.

hawk

2018-03-07 23:05

Can you give us some history and a brief intro on the topic?

hawk

2018-03-07 23:05

Then we’ll get into questions.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:05

Hey everyone!

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:05

Thanks for joining :slightly_smiling_face:

krisduran

2018-03-07 23:05

Thank you @benjamin for doing this today and sharing your experience!

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:06

As @hawk mentioned I’m a product designer, ex-Atlassian, and now founder / CEO of a SaaS startup focused on building a great product for teams to manage customer feedback & user research.

taraleeyork

2018-03-07 23:06

Hi everyone

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:06

I’d love to talk about anything to do with research, product design, and generally just building great products since that’s my passion.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:06

To give you a few ideas for topics: advocating research inside a data-driven organization, the relationship between designers / researchers / PMs, collecting, storing, organizing, and analyzing data, sharing knowledge and getting buy-in with stakeholders, escaping the daily grind and setting long term visions, design / research team org structure, and more.

kaselway

2018-03-07 23:06

Well! There’s 7k people here so it’s a bit of chaos!

hawk

2018-03-07 23:07

Cool. Are you ready for questions?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:07

Specifically the topic is about research data organization / sharing – but I’m also happy to expand beyond that if you have more general questions for me about design or reseach :slightly_smiling_face:

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:07

@hawk yep!

hawk

2018-03-07 23:07

Ok team, shoot…

hawk

2018-03-07 23:07

From @rachelreveley What can you do when you use various tools to create different deliverables such as Google Slides, Axure, Foundation etc?

maadonna

2018-03-07 23:08

How do you avoid re-researching the same things over and over? i.e. how do you make old research information available to start with, and only researching what you don’t know (I have never seen a team do this well – everyone just seems to re-research)

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:08

Hmm. What do you mean by “what can you do”? As in, how can you consolidate everything into a single deliverable / outcome?

taraleeyork

2018-03-07 23:08

What do you do when a client/employer tells you they don’t have a budget for research?

frankenvision

2018-03-07 23:09

Q: What inspired you to create Dovetail?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:09

I think one of the problems I’ve seen in research is that there isn’t really a ‘standardised’ set of tools that researchers use. Unlike designers, which have Sketch / Photoshop / InVision emerging as the platform. Researchers still have a really disparate collection of digital and physical tools

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:09

They also tend not to talk to one another

rachelreveley

2018-03-07 23:09

Yes. I find that I end up with lots of very different pieces and have to somehow link them together

rvaelle

2018-03-07 23:10

And tips on being efficient on organizing and analyzing data? Not getting overwhelmed with data.:fearful:

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:10

@rachelreveley Right. I don’t feel like I have a great solution for you, to be honest. I think the variety in process / methods / and tuning the output to the stakeholders means that the number and type of tools you’ll use varies so much between projects

isha

2018-03-07 23:10

Wow – that’s a lot!

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:11

In the past everything tends to end up in a document or slideshow

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:11

which is not ideal, imo

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:11

part of the issue is that the raw data is disconnected from the output

rachelreveley

2018-03-07 23:11

They do. the closest to a solution so far is Basecamp but I’m not a huge fan.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:12

Until there’s something that can suck in a bunch of data in different formats and let you manipulate that, analyze it, distill it, then spit it out as a great output for stakeholders, I think you’re a bit stuck with what we have today

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:12

At Atlassian we talked a lot about the “IDE” for people

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:12

Using that metaphor of developer IDE’s who have lots of powerful features

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:12

What’s the IDE for designers? PMs? Researchers?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:13

I don’t think there’s a strong story yet for the latter

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:13

But you can see software emerging for the first two

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:13

Anyway, I’ll move on!

jamie

2018-03-07 23:13

What do you find is the best way to present your findings not only to stakeholders but to team members both in design and tech streams?

danielle

2018-03-07 23:13

What’s IDE?

james.g.jenner

2018-03-07 23:13

IDE = Integrated Development Environment.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:14

@claudia.realegeno I’m architecting an in-house database to store research findings and struggling with how to incorporate tagging capabilities and account for events where there were multiple attendees. How do you handle these challenges in a world of normalized databases? Do you find it easier to structure by primarily by participant, by event, or some other method?

guido

2018-03-07 23:14

Intentionally Difficult Employees

guido

2018-03-07 23:14

oh

guido

2018-03-07 23:14

well, almost got it

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:14

@claudia.realegeno Your first part of the question might be a bit complicated for me to answer here. But the second part I can have a crack at. I think it really depends whether a) you’re doing a research project, with an end date, or b) you’re embedded in a team and you’re doing ongoing research.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:15

Also if you’re doing strategic / tactical research

claudia.realegeno

2018-03-07 23:15

ongoing research

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:15

For instance, if you have a specific goal or outcome in mind

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:15

Right

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:15

So, user testing sessions, interviews, etc?

bkesshav

2018-03-07 23:15

Is there any tool that use AI and machine learning to highlight key findings and recommend areas to focus as pain points?

claudia.realegeno

2018-03-07 23:15

sometimes we have a clear measurable goal, sometimes it’s more qualitative

claudia.realegeno

2018-03-07 23:16

We’d like the flexibility for both, and even just grabbing ad-hoc statements

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:16

I think the general idea you want to get to then, with ongoing research, is building up a bit of a library of themes that you’re observing over time, beyond the specific individual events

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:16

At Atlassian, researchers are embedded inside product teams

claudia.realegeno

2018-03-07 23:16

yes, exactly!

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:16

So across a bunch of different methods, they’re forming these patterns / themes over time, and it’s somewhat irregardless of the actual method they used to discover those insights

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:17

Generally they’ll write up some stuff, maybe on a cadence, or perhaps have an ongoing short meeting, to then present the outcome of the events as evidence to support a more macro theme

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:18

So I would say, for ongoing research, you probably want to structure by theme as you go (you won’t start out with themes at the beginning) and then use the specific events as evidence

krisduran

2018-03-07 23:18

Do you have a recommendation on how to present data when talking with stakeholders?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:18

@maadonna How do you avoid re-researching the same things over and over? i.e. how do you make old research information available to start with, and only researching what you don’t know (I have never seen a team do this well – everyone just seems to re-research)

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:18

Heh

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:18

This is like the biggest struggle that the Atlassian researchers had when I left

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:19

I think everyone struggles with this, especially growing companies where you have new people joining all the time

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:19

IMO the problem comes down to bad tooling for storing research insights

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:19

Too much reliance of “tribal knowledge” of long time employees, who would say something like, “hang on, didn’t we do this a while ago?” but you wouldn’t know that without them jumping in

jamie

2018-03-07 23:20

can you speak a bit about different methods you use to synthesize and document qualitative data

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:20

Part of the challenge is that the type of data you touch with research is so varied that no system handles it all perfectly. One product that works great for storing emails from customers or interview notes might not work for video. Another which is great for video might not work for tweets or survey results.

maadonna

2018-03-07 23:20

I’d be interested in hearing how anyone does this :slightly_smiling_face:

dorothee

2018-03-07 23:20

What do you do when you’re asked to provide a UX budget estimate for an upcoming product release, but you only have a very high-level idea of what the release theme is going to be?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:21

@maadonna At Atlassian we had some success with organising things into “FAQ” style pages by product

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:21

Where you kind of start with the question and that links off to the research

krisduran

2018-03-07 23:21

Q: Do you find storytelling a key part of presenting data to non-research folks?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:21

So if you had a question like, fairly generic, “What do people do in their first 5 days of using JIRA?” that might then link to some research on onboarding

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:21

But there are so many problems with this

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:21

It requires constant maintenance

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:21

It gets out of date

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:22

It also requires people to use the same formatting so you can compare apples to apples

krisduran

2018-03-07 23:22

Q: When do you know you’ve got enough data and need to pull back out of the rabbit hole?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:22

Data repositories are kind of a way to solve it

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:22

But

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:23

The data itself is also quite messy in its original form so the repository ends up being tucked away out of view from stakeholders because it’s a total mess.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:23

You really need some way to say, “hey, here’s my raw data, and it’s really messy, but I can take excerpts out of that and add them into something that’s more bite-sized and shareable.”

frankenvision

2018-03-07 23:23

Q: What do you do with results of your research when you realized you’ve headed in the wrong direction on a project?

bkesshav

2018-03-07 23:24

Q: Is there any tool that use AI and machine learning to highlight key findings from research and recommend areas to focus as pain points?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

So yeah, I think, in larger companies, it’s a tooling problem. I think it’s probably only really a problem in larger companies anyway, because in a smaller organisation, you’ll have less researchers / designers who probably talk more and can hold more in their heads.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

Heh

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

Popular topic

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

Okay, next one

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

@taraleeyork What do you do when a client/employer tells you they don’t have a budget for research?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

Hmm. My co-founder sitting next to me says “offer them a trial”

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

Haha

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:24

No, I think, it really depends

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:25

If you’re really passionate about research for this project

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:25

Then I think you’ll want to find some way to do it sneakily on the fly

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:25

Even a few structured customer interviews, recorded, can be proof of the value of research

aquazie

2018-03-07 23:25

agreed on sneaking in, if needed

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:26

So for a couple of hundred dollars, you should be able to recruit maybe three people for 30 minute interviews

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:26

Then it’s just saying “the proof is in the pudding” right

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:26

We used this tactic A LOT at Atlassian

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:26

Especially a couple of years ago when research was starting to mature

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:27

Atlassian has gone through a stage of no designers → convincing the value of design → no researchers → convincing the value of research

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:27

And a lot of that was simply doing it, even if there wasn’t budget for it

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:27

Not the best answer, but yeah, that’s just the reality of organisational politics I guess

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:28

@frankenvision Q: What inspired you to create Dovetail?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:28

I actually wrote a blog series on the beginnings of Dovetail

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:28

frankenvision

2018-03-07 23:28

Thanks @benjamin I will check it out

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:28

So for the full story I guess read that, but the abridged version is that I noticed a distinct lack of decent software for researchers when I worked at Atlassian

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:28

Research software, quite frankly, sucks

taraleeyork

2018-03-07 23:29

Thanks for the answer @benjamin

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:29

Ironically it’s often poorly designed and hella expensive

tyler

2018-03-07 23:29

Q: What are your views on prioritizing Quantitative Data over Qualitative User interviews for a consumer product?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:29

It’s also a huge opportunity because it’s so far reaching

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:30

We think about the key tent pegs of research – collection, organization, analysis, and sharing

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:30

In each of those, you have a variety of tools

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:30

Survey software, data repositories, QDA tools, collab tools

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:30

Nobody has really flipped those verticals into one horizontal, integrated path

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:31

So that’s kind of the realization I had

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:31

@rvaelle Any tips on being efficient on organizing and analyzing data? Not getting overwhelmed with data.

cindy.mccracken

2018-03-07 23:31

Are you able to take study notes in Dovetail? Observers too?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:31

Hmm. Being quite ruthless in what you keep around.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:31

For instance, take a user testing session.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:32

You might have 30 min of video there, but how much of that is setting up, introductions, technical issues, etc.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:32

So maybe cut your user testing videos into a “highlight reel” and you’ll have less noise in your data

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:32

Also, I like the whole “insight as a tweet” thing

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:32

I’ve seen a lot of researchers write these really long internal blog posts or presentations

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:32

And they’re really ineffective IMO

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:33

The most successful approach I’ve seen is simply showing stakeholders actual quotes from customers or video from user testing.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:33

For instance, at Atlassian, instead of creating research reports, I used to buy popcorn for our team and invite everyone (PM, developers, QA) along to watch pre-recorded user testing videos. After each one we’d discuss them together and take a few quick notes. Everyone knew what the problems were and the next steps. No need for a presentation or a report.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:33

Let the data speak for itself

cindy.mccracken

2018-03-07 23:33

In a couple companies where I’ve worked, the best way to make sure research is kept top of mind is writing stories for the backlogs. Then they get prioritized with the rest of the work.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:34

@jamie What do you find is the best way to present your findings not only to stakeholders but to team members both in design and tech streams?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:34

Nice segue there

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:34

I can rattle off another couple of examples of techniques I used at Atlassian

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:34

I had lots of success bringing developers along with me on contextual inquiries or having them sit in on interviews. Assign them a role like photographer or note-taker. They love it and they can experience customer pain first hand.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:35

Another technique I used at Atlassian was to set up a HipChat room and connect it to Twitter using IFTTT. All it did was show all the tweets mentioning @JIRA on Twitter, and spoiler, most of them were not happy tweets.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:35

This brought customer pain in front of the team in the tools they use every day. We even put incoming user feedback on wallboard televisions alongside the developer’s build status.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:35

I think the most effective researchers are the ones that simply act as a messenger for the data / evidence from the customer / users in the research

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:35

In some ways you’re kind of like a director of a movie

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:36

You have all of these clips on the cutting room floor

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:36

You need to take those and edit them into what you’re going to show, fit it into 1.5 hours

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:36

(hopefully a lot less than that)

frankenvision

2018-03-07 23:36

Q: How do you sort through pain points once you find them? Do you put them in a severity chart and vote on them with your team?

hawk

2018-03-07 23:37

FYI We have 10 questions queued up which will likely take us to the end of the session

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:37

Time is flying!

tyler

2018-03-07 23:37

I create a sortable excel sheet

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:37

@bkesshav Is there any tool that use AI and machine learning to highlight key findings and recommend areas to focus as pain points?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:37

I don’t think there is any software that can do what researchers do today

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:38

There’s lots of ML that can *help* you get insights

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:38

For example, we just shipped automatic sentiment analysis yesterday

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:38

This is kind of helpful for parsing large amounts of data

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:38

It gives you a bit of a starting point to work from, everything strongly negative is in one place

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:39

Unless you have an enormous data set (which most companies do not), ML will not be able to uncover key findings / distill insights etc from a variety of raw data

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:39

I think eventually we might get to “black box research” but empathy and context are so important for research

davidbaird

2018-03-07 23:39

parsing is an interesting term. :slightly_smiling_face:. There in lies the appropriate degree of ‘filtering’

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:39

So I think computers can absolutely aid researchers

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:40

And there is not enough of that today IMO

cindy.mccracken

2018-03-07 23:40

I like this idea, but you’d need to capture those next steps somewhere, right?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:40

But I don’t think researchers need to worry about being replaced by ML / AI

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:40

@krisduran Do you have a recommendation on how to present data when talking with stakeholders?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:41

Somewhat covered above – keep it simple, brief, present the raw data / evidence where possible, stay away from long presentations. In Dovetail, the idea is that the raw data is stored alongside your insights, and then that can be shared with stakeholders to collaborate on. So then they can just click around and explore the insights, and dive into the raw data if necessary. It removes the disconnect between what’s in Powerpoint vs. what’s in your spreadsheet or Dropbox.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:41

Another technique that I’ll quickly mention is to involve them throughout the process

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:41

This isn’t always feasible

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:41

But if it is possible, (same goes for design), it’s great if you can have your team involved in collection / analysis etc.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:42

Again at Atlassian we tried to do this where possible

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:42

Turns out a developer is going to be much more likely to be excited about a new feature if she’s been invovled in the design process from the start

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:42

@dorothee What do you do when you’re asked to provide a UX budget estimate for an upcoming product release, but you only have a very high-level idea of what the release theme is going to be?

frankenvision

2018-03-07 23:43

Q: How many researchers did you work with at Atlassian?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:43

Tell them estimation is hard and add 50% ?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:43

I’m not sure, to be honest!

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:43

That’s what developers do to me all the time, so maybe it should go the other way too :joy:

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:43

@krisduran Q: Do you find storytelling a key part of presenting data to non-research folks?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:43

Yep, absolutely!

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:44

At Atlassian, every year, the design / research / writing team come together from around the world in Sydney and have a week together

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:44

I’ll find the video, hang on

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:44

bkesshav

2018-03-07 23:44

I didn’t ask if AI can replace researchers, can technology like AI infer and create insights from the research outcomes.

Most time is spent looking in to the raw data and research findings. Can technology use the data to make the process of analysis and drawing insights.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:45

Anyway, the theme from a couple of years back was storytelling

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:45

I think it’s a critical skill for designers and researchers, and PMs. Everyone, really.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:45

You need to take people on a journey, build empathy with characters (often the users), and propose a solution

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:45

It’s somewhat like making a film. Pixar are very good at this. Channel Pixar in your research!

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:46

@bkesshav Right. My answer would be not right now, but in a few years, possible. At the moment the ML / natural language stuff is mostly helpful for broadly categorising large sets of data.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:46

To get true insights you need a human touch to understand the context and the goal of the research

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:46

@krisduran Q: When do you know you’ve got enough data and need to pull back out of the rabbit hole?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:47

Good question. When you start seeing the same things over and over.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:47

In theory, the obvious themes will emerge quite quickly during your research.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:48

It also depends a lot on how rigorous you want to be

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:48

Often, with research, you’re not looking for statistical significance

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:48

There’s usually no need for that level of certainty

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:48

Research is very helpful as a quick, lean, and directional approach a lot of the time

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:48

I’d recommend Erika Hall’s book Just Enough Research

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:48

Which is entirely devoted to this topic

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:49

@frankenvision Q: What do you do with results of your research when you realize you’ve headed in the wrong direction on a project?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:49

If the data is valuable, keep it, and maybe write a brief summary of what you learned, even if it’s not relevant for the project.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:49

Again depends on whether you’re embedded, doing ongoing research, or whether you’re working on a once-off project

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:50

If it’s completely worthless and will be in the future, then chuck it. Don’t fall into the sunk cost fallacy.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:50

@tyler What are your views on prioritizing Quantitative Data over Qualitative User interviews for a consumer product?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:50

Spicy question!

frankenvision

2018-03-07 23:50

thanks

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:50

I don’t think there’s any need to prioritize one over another

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:50

They’re very different

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:51

A huge myth in software development is that these two things compete against one another

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:51

That couldn’t be further from the truth

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:51

Quant can tell you *what* users are doing, but qual can tell you *why*

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:51

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:52

There’s a whole topic here, in itself, which is using qual and quant data in software development

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:52

humans love certainty

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:52

people think quantitative data brings certainty

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:53

but often, it’s really misleading / open to interpretation

hawk

2018-03-07 23:53

You’re rocking this @benjamin

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:53

There’s been a huge trend the past few years

hawk

2018-03-07 23:53

We have 2 questions left and we’ll call it a wrap

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:53

Companies think quantitative data has become a “solution” for a lot of people, a silver bullet

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:53

Partly because it’s been much more accessible

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:53

Before we had Mixpanel, GA, etc.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:54

We had to talk to users, talk to customers

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:54

These tools made quant much easier to access, and since humans love certainty, they seemed to provide it

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:54

As someone who worked on growth / analytics at Atlassian, I can assure you that analytics are often anything but certain

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:55

There’s a bit of a renaissance happening now I think

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:55

A few years back, the 4th or 5th hire in your startup would be a data analytics / growth person

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:55

Now I’m seeing more and more Dovetail customers who are startups with researchers as that hire

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:55

@cindy.mccracken Are you able to take study notes in Dovetail? Observers too?

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:55

Yep. Not 100% sure what you mean by observers, but it has a real time collab editor, like Google Docs.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:56

@frankenvision Q: How do you sort through pain points once you find them? Do you put them in a severity chart and vote on them with your team?

cindy.mccracken

2018-03-07 23:56

Yeah, that’s what I mean.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:57

@frankenvision Yeah, sort of. It kind of depends on the team. With a newer team, you’ll need more structure, so probably some card sorting or meetings to prioritise what to work on. If the team is smaller, or more established, then you’ll probably have more trust, so maybe the researcher can just suggest an ordered list of pain points to work through.

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:58

I can show you a screenshot of our customer feedback board on Dovetail

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:58

The tags, that is

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:58

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:59

This is basically how we manage our pain points / customer feedback

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:59

So everything is tagged, then we use the board to group the tags into product areas or existing vs. new feature

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:59

Then rank them

benjamin

2018-03-07 23:59

So something similar to that is probably a good way to sort / organize your pain points – either on a post-it note board, or Trello, or Dovetail if you want to try that

benjamin

2018-03-08 00:00

That was the last question, I think!

hawk

2018-03-08 00:00

Nice!

benjamin

2018-03-08 00:00

I can stick around for a few more minutes, if anyone has anything pressing

hawk

2018-03-08 00:00

That was pretty full on but you killed it.
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benjamin

2018-03-08 00:00

Or maybe a follow up from anything I said?

frankenvision

2018-03-08 00:00

That was a great session, thanks

hawk

2018-03-08 00:00

Much appreciated.

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